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Are there any really rare PAL Dreamcast games? (sealed)


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#1 OFFLINE   Ryuhei64

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 12:53 PM

It seems most of the European games can still be found sealed, a few of them at a quite high price, but nothing too bad. Which are the most rare / expensive?
Headhunter? Third Strike? Sonic Adventure 2? Shenmue II? Crazy Taxi 2?
I hope veteran Dreamcast collectors can help :)
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#2 OFFLINE   Val

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 01:01 PM

In my opinion the rarest and most expensive are ....

1 - Taxi 2
2 - Samba de Amigo
3 - Grandia 2 / Third Strike
4 - Sonic Shuffle
5 - Rez

Other titles worth mention are ....

Stupid Invaders , SNK vs Capcom , RE 2 (German Cover) , Shenmue 1 , Silver ....

I hope it helps ...
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 03:29 PM

There's rare, and then there's just expensive. The two shouldn't be confused. There's a lot of collectible Dreamcast games which are very sought after and expensive on eBay, but there's usually always one on offer, albeit at a high price. Games such as Sonic Adventure 2, Rez, and pretty much most of the Capcom fighters etc.

On the other hand, there are games which are simply rare to find in sealed condition. Period. Below is a list of such games:

Bangai-O
Caesar's Palace 2000
Carrier
Coaster Works
Dead Or Alive II
Deadly Skies
ESPN Track & Field
Evolution 2
Fighting Vipers 2
Gauntlet Legends
Grandia II

Le Mans 24 Hour
Looney Toons Space Race

Magforce Racing
Midway's Greatest Arcade Hits
MoHo
Pen Pen Triathlon
Pro Pinball Trilogy

Railroad Tycoon
Samba De Amigo
San Francisco Rush 2049
Sega Extreme Sports
Skies Of Arcadia
Sonic Shuffle
South Park: Chef's Luv Shack
South Park Rally
StarLancer
Stupid Invaders
Super Magnetic Neo
Super Runabout
Sword Of The Berserk
Sydney 2000
Taxi II Le Jeu (French exclusive game)
Tech Romancer
Tee Off
The Grinch
The Nomad Soul
Time Stalkers
Tokyo Highway Challenge
Wacky Races
Walt Disney World Quest Magical Racing Tour
Wetrix+
Zombie Revenge


Most of the above are almost impossible to find a sealed copy, and you could be waiting years to see one for sale. Go ahead and try and find a sealed copy of Dead Or Alive II or Pen Pen Tricelon - I dare you!


However, European variants are usually much easier to find sealed than their UK English counterparts, so if you're a French, Dutch, or German collector, you'll find some of these games much more easily than a UK collector looking for an English PAL variaton
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#4 OFFLINE   Ryuhei64

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 03:38 PM

Thanks, Val. Sonic Adventure 2 PAL sealed is not rare? I have not seen it for sale these past few weeks.
Those Top 5 games you mention are indeed rare. But Sonic Shuffle rarity is strange. Being first-party and not a good seller, it should be common, but I guess it´s the Sonic brand :)

Edit: Oh, nice list, Gemini, thanks. About the UK variants, aren´t most european DC game cases multilanguage? Most of them have also english, with UK flag (I´m from Spain, and most games sold here were UK-French-German-Spanish cases)
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 03:52 PM

About the UK variants, aren´t most european DC game cases multilanguage? Most of them have also english, with UK flag (I´m from Spain, and most games sold here were UK-French-German-Spanish cases)


Some are, some aren't. Some games exist with multiple languages as well as country specific versions. As a general rule, most English-only games come with -05 or -50 at the end of the spine number. Multi-language games have different codes, such as -61 (most common for Capcom games)

I have a sealed copy of Deadly Skies with a -77 code. It features German, French, and Italian languages. I guess the UK version would be solely English, or perhaps English, Dutch, and Spanish.

Spain is considered a relatively small market compared to the UK, France, Germany, and Netherlands. A lot of the copies you get in Spain may be either multi-language copies, or Spanish-only. I would guess that the most common lanuages found on your games are English, Spanish, and Italian, and are distributed by a company called Halifax
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 04:37 PM

From my experience, here in Spain all DC game cases were multilanguage, usually UK-french-german-spanish, others with italian, others just italian-spanish. Halifax were distributor in Italy, but not in Spain, I don´t remember the stickers back in 2000, with the Dreamcast on the shelves.

Spanish console market is quite big, fourth in Europe after UK, France and Germany, and bigger than Italy. It was that way in Dreamcast era too. I remember the total dominance of the first Playstation here, even Sony Japan gave the spanish subsidiary an award as one of their strongest markets :)
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#7 OFFLINE   bojay1997

Posted 17 February 2012 - 07:00 PM

Giant Killers seems both expensive and rare sealed. The last one sold on Ebay.UK for over $150 US and I haven't seen one in almost a year since then.
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 07:07 PM

Giant Killers seems both expensive and rare sealed. The last one sold on Ebay.UK for over $150 US and I haven't seen one in almost a year since then.


I managed to get a copy of this sealed in a sealed lot of 12 games for £28 on auction 8 months back, got some other rarities in the lot too like Charge N Blast & Jeremy McGrath Supercross. Needless to say i was over the moon!

But Sonic Shuffle rarity is strange. Being first-party and not a good seller, it should be common, but I guess it´s the Sonic brand :)


Its rare to find used even, let alone sealed. Its because of the low sales that its rare, low print run and a late release game.
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 08:34 PM

Giant Killers seems both expensive and rare sealed. The last one sold on Ebay.UK for over $150 US and I haven't seen one in almost a year since then.


It wasn't released in America, so that's probably why American collectors are willing to pay a little extra for it. I personally wouldn't value it much higher than any other sports title for the console. If it wasn't for the Americans bidding, it would be another £5 game like the other football games
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Posted 18 February 2012 - 12:21 AM


Giant Killers seems both expensive and rare sealed. The last one sold on Ebay.UK for over $150 US and I haven't seen one in almost a year since then.


It wasn't released in America, so that's probably why American collectors are willing to pay a little extra for it. I personally wouldn't value it much higher than any other sports title for the console. If it wasn't for the Americans bidding, it would be another £5 game like the other football games


Actually the one that sold for $150 went to a German bidder on Ebay.UK and everyone that bid above $100 (for which there were several bidders) was either UK or German based from what I could tell. Do you have access to copies of Giant Killers sealed? I certainly haven't seen any on Ebay and I've been looking for years. It was a late release and had only very limited distribution, so it rarely comes up, at least not sealed. There seem to be plenty of opened and damaged copies out there though, but even those are starting to hit 40-50 GBP if they are mint but not sealed. That's a lot more than any common sports title I have seen on the Dreamcast.
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#11 OFFLINE   Ryuhei64

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 10:43 AM

Is PAL Resident Evil Code Veronica (sealed) hard to find? I have the japanese version, but I´ll probably buy the european one too.

Gemini-Phoenix, about Dead or Alive 2, which PAL version is easier to find sealed? I don´t mind the language, being PAL is good enough :)
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:06 PM

Ive never seen code veronica sealed, i think all the resis are hard to find sealed, the odd one pops up of the other 2 but always ridiculously priced buy it nows.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:49 PM

Is PAL Resident Evil Code Veronica (sealed) hard to find? I have the japanese version, but I´ll probably buy the european one too.


It never used to be, but for a while it was a Dreamcast exclusive and was in very high demand. Nowadays the supply of sealed copies has dried up and collectors are reluctant to sell. The few that do tend to like to demand high prices. However, I would personally say Nemesis is harder to come by sealed

Ironically, Code Veronica is one of the few sealed games I am still missing :rolleye:


Gemini-Phoenix, about Dead or Alive 2, which PAL version is easier to find sealed? I don´t mind the language, being PAL is good enough :)


I don't know too much about availability in other European countries, but finding a sealed retail copy of Dead Or Alive 2 here in the UK is near impossible. I have only ever seen a few sealed copies, and I usually buy every copy I see out of principal as it is so rare. Clamshell copies are much more commonly seen for sale advertised as "new"

For the record, the few copies I have bought in the past cost me between £40-£60, so you should expect to pay a similar amount for this as you would most of the Capcom games
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:55 PM

its easier to tell the other way round, which games can be found sealed nowadays from time to time.

i dont know what the topic creator was on the look for, when he says most of the dc pal games can be found sealed nowadays. Which is simply not true. Furhtermore he considers SA2 is a rare game because he havent seen it for some weeks on ebay. To name a game as "rare" collectors usually think in dimensions of years, or how many times in one year appears a title on ebay. And btw, Sonic Adventure 2 is medium rare, but one of the most important titles on the system imo. And porn mint copys are a challenge to get hold off.

First of all here is a picture list with all pal realeases: http://segaliste.de/

now the question to the topic creator, what games you were searching on ebay?

Some DC Pal games are impossible to find, and if they appear just hope they will survive with an undamaged case. Meanwhile its ridiculous hard.

Le mans 24 hours, pro pinball trilogy!!!,samba de amigo, iron aces, blue stinger, evolution 2, taxi 2, even magforce racing (magforce racing represents all the other unknown obscure games for dreamcast, they are so unknown that most ppl dont even know they, which means they almost never appear)

and many others.

I have a sealed code veronica, the only mint one i have ever seen - and i bought it :wow:
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#15 OFFLINE   Ryuhei64

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 03:19 PM

Gemini: In December I contacted a seller that had several copies of DOA2 new but not sealed (not the clamshell version). Is this possible, or it was just a scammer? XD

Enzephalon: I have been collecting sealed PAL DC games for just 2 months, and in that short time, I have found most of the titles I wanted. Sure there are some rare like the ones you said, but most of the good and popular games are easily available: Most Capcom games (except Third Strike and RE3 / Code veronica), and most Sega games (except SA2, Samba, Taxi 2 and few others).
Those two companies made the majority of the best DC games. Others like Soul Calibur are easy to find too.
What other vintage console has its best known games in such availability? :)
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:34 PM

Gemini: In December I contacted a seller that had several copies of DOA2 new but not sealed (not the clamshell version). Is this possible, or it was just a scammer? XD


If something isn't sealed, then how can someone advertise it as new? If they can't prove it, then it's as good as a mint used copy. Of course, you could give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they've got lots of minty copies which have just been freshly unsealed and never played, but how can you ever be 100% sure unless the game is sealed?

So in answer to your question, no, it cannot be possible - However, it may be possible (in a world where everybody tells the truth) that the games are indeed unplayed, but I would personally not class these as new as there is no way to prove one way or the other
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 12:21 PM

What they mean by 'new not sealed' is that they have some with minty discs, and have used crap sealed games to unseal an swap cases around. Or they have disc repaired them using a top draw machine so they literally look new.
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 12:46 PM

For me, so far in my DC journey, i think these are VERY rare to find sealed uk pal version:

Iron Aces
The Grinch
Grand Theft Auto 2
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
Phantasy Star Online Ver.2

These games rarely show up used, especially The Grinch & Iron Aces. Ive been collecting Dreamcast for a solid year, and 3-4 years ago i collected CIB and the above games have always been tricky to find complete. The chances of these popping up sealed is next to zero.
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#19 OFFLINE   Ryuhei64

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 01:01 PM

What they mean by 'new not sealed' is that they have some with minty discs, and have used crap sealed games to unseal an swap cases around. Or they have disc repaired them using a top draw machine so they literally look new.


Yes, I thought it was strange :(

Another question about seals: I have a PAL House of the Dead 2 wrapped with the same type of plastic as the rest, but without tearing strip. Is it legit, maybe those were the pack-ins with the gun?
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 01:04 PM


What they mean by 'new not sealed' is that they have some with minty discs, and have used crap sealed games to unseal an swap cases around. Or they have disc repaired them using a top draw machine so they literally look new.


Yes, I thought it was strange :(

Another question about seals: I have a PAL House of the Dead 2 wrapped with the same type of plastic as the rest, but without tearing strip. Is it legit, maybe those were the pack-ins with the gun?


There are a small amount of games without a tearstrip. Ones that come to mind are Sega Bass Fishing & Zombie Revenge. Never seen them with tearstrips. But they are legit.

You can easily tell if a DC game is legit, look at the folds on the top and bottom - they usually look thick and melted in places. Not like the thin cellophane used these days!
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